Asterisk Needed: Symbol Would Define Lia Thomas’ Unfair Edge at NCAA Champs; Only Right For Biological Females

He’s not a woman, biologically or otherwise. He doesn’t have the first clue what it is like to be a woman. Gender is more than clothes and hair and what you claim to be.

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Why don’t u say what it is then?

Maybe it was a rhetorical question

A person without a prostate. A biological female aka a Woman.

Does he now have a uterus? Really. get real.

If my car had a flat tire and also wouldn’t start, would it no longer be a car?

If it started out that way, yes.

ROFLMAO, but, if you put road tractor tires on a pick up truck, does it become a road tractor??? Lolol

You spelled HE wrong

He

Look up bimodal sex distribution.

How about only x chromosomes?

Agreed. Want an idiot.

If he says he is, apparently

Nothing to do.

Can you really not think your way through that?

You’re being ridiculous. Lia Should not be allowed to compete it’s very simple. He should’ve just finished his senior year and then transitioned over. He obviously did early so he could win easier and all those women that deserve to win are not going to because a man is swimming against them!.

You think you are funny talking about parts and pieces of the human anatomy, and all you have managed to do is show your ignorance. Your gender is based on GENETICS. You come here with either XX (female) or XY (male). Nothing, not even surgery can change your genetic makeup.

I just want to make sure I’m understanding your argument. You are claiming that all male babies are just inherently drawn to trucks? It evolved naturally in male babies over, what, the millennia in which trucks and humans have coexisted?

And, frankly, making narrow-minded people uncomfortable so that an oppressed minority can live fully and happily and in their truth. . .worth it, IMO.

Lol, no, not all male babies are drawn to trucks. Children are *socialized* into sex roles. And that socialization is not exactly the same from culture to culture, era to era, household to household, or even boy to boy within a household. Nor will every boy respond the same way to similar socialization.

Children are born into societies of male dominant, female subordinate roles. Even in households where the mother is considered to “wear the pants” in one way or another, or in all ways, each child is part of the larger society’s socialization. None of us grows up alone on a desert island or another planet, after all. We are all affected by the larger society’s forces and influences, social rewards and social disapproval, that shape our personalities.

As a result, while all boys are not socialized effectively to like trucks (nor should any boy be obliged to like trucks), boys are socialized into what might be considered a galaxy of stereotypically male interests, personality traits, and beliefs about themselves (ie. superior to females, leadership and higher earning self-perception, sense of entitlement, etc.) Or we could call it a “smorgasbord” of these traits. Not every boy will acquire them all.

Same with girls being socialized into a galaxy of traits.

I’m all for doing our best to slough off sex roles, but we are probably multiple millenia from being able to do so, entirely, because the socialization is do intense at this time, even in the most progressive, feminist of circles. The vast majority of it is still subconscious.

Does that make sense,?

A “woman”, AKA a female has an XY chromosome. Simple biology.

Not the same

A person created in the image of God female, with the purpose of being the perfect companion for a man. A man is created to have a desire to cherish a woman (this sentense is not defining a woman) not compete against her.

No it’s not ignorant it’s the TRUTH and it hurts

I agree. Create a separate category for them. Allowing him to swim on the women’s team is a slap in the face to every woman competing. And get him out of the women’s locker room NOW!

I agree.

Yes, apparently gays and atheists don’t exist.

This kind of thinking is not woke. It’s just dumb. I’m a proud progressive woman…and I realize that science and data shows us EXACTLY what biological advantages Lia has having been a man for over 20 years. Progressives have lost their minds with this one! Now my friends on this topic are the religious right? (Bless you, religious right, but you’re not usually “my people) and Progressives who have normally touted themselves as lovers of “truth and science” have ummmm…. abandoned all reason. I have no “people”. I appreciate that Conservatives are fighting for women’s rights (for once). We seem to be on the same side this time but for different reasons. Science shows us the difference between sexes having gone through their respective puberties.
Signed: progressive without a home.

I know…I feel like I’m in crazy-land. And to the person who wanted us to define what it means to be a woman (like it’s some sort of trap), among other things it’s someone who grew up being called on less than boys in school (just read the countless studies) someone who was told to wear a shirt at age 4 even though girls at that age have no breasts…but girls are sexualized even at that tender age…it’s someone who, starting at around age 13-14, knew to not jog at night and walked to their car quickly after work or activities for fear of being raped….I could go on. A sex-change is all well and good but feeling like your a woman won’t ever replace the history of what it means to actually be one from birth. When you say you’re a woman…try not to honor your fellow sisters. Lia, recuse yourself because you understand that you have a biological advantage over your sisters and a psychological one as well by having been brought up a man in a man’s world and competed as a man…which has many advantages. The part of Lia that thinks it’s ok to compete against biological females is definitely the part of her that still holds that sense of male privilege.

Eeek typo correction: “when you say you’re a woman try *to* honor your fellow sisters.”

Conservatives are liberals. Progressives are regressive now.

I am so feeling this right now. Who are my people anymore? I’m siding on the right with this issue but have lots of problems with the rest of their agenda…and the lefts too. Where to turn?

“He” has every right to be a woman?
You need to think about that….

Glad you’re seeing the light. I’d like to kindly remind you that it was Christian leaders who first fought for women’s right to higher education and their right to vote in the US. History is easily forgotten in the heat of current political debate. Blessings.

No, it isn’t. People just want to rewrite facts. If he wants to be a woman society allows that. But he did this at THIS point. Ever think why now? So he can win easier. Pathetic. And those of you who pressure everyone to think your way are why the NCAA and other governing bodies are saying those of us who know it’s unfair have to shut up because it’s transphobic?! What a twisted, unfair way to help someone get his way so he can win.

Some people feel ( so they say) like they are more feminine or masculine, I don’t know.
I feel sorry for them. I respect their choice however biological men cannot FAIRLY compete against biological females.

We see as a male swimmer he was less than average.

Hahaha! Surprise, surprise. The true definition of the “Left Behind”.

Doug Broman, I agree with most of what you wrote, except that there are a huge number of people who do not agree that a man can be socially accepted as a woman, whatever that means.

There are huge numbers of people who have been forced into silence on this issue, out of fear of being canceled and permanently losing their livelihoods.

This trans bullying of people into silence is allowing the bullies to get every law and policy changed that they want.

Part of the gender cult’s stated political playbook is to get laws changed by stealth: specifically, to do everything possible without the media’s knowledge, to avoid public outcry. Such as via Biden’s authoritarian executive orders on gender identity his first day in office. (And yes, i voted for Biden knowing Biden would do this to women, only because the alternative candidate was even more authoritarian and unthinkable. Although what Biden did to women with his executive orders was far worse than we expected.)

My hope, and that of others who stand for women’s rights, is that we are approaching the eventual point where a majority of society reach “peak trans” and will dismantle this nonsense.

I don’t know why everyone is having such a hard time defining what is male, what is female, what is a woman, what is a man? This is elementary.

Girl = female human (born with xx chromosomes)
Boy = male human (born with xy chromosomes)
Woman = female human of adult age (born with xx chromosomes)
Man = make human of adult age (born with xy chromosomes)

An overwhelming majority of the time the baby’s genitals, present at birth, will indicate what sex chromosomes the baby has, and therefore indicate the baby’s sex.

Gender is just stereotypes regarding one’s sex, i.e. It has no scientific basis. Why are people making biological changes to themselves based off of their gender dysphoria? And then trying to force all of society to also adopt this dysphoria thinking?

He can be male, grow his hair long, wear makeup, dresses, whatever… There have been men who’ve done this forever. However those things don’t make him female, or a woman. Being a woman is not a state of mind, it is a biological reality.

Also transphobia is not a thing. Acknowledging reality is not being ‘transphobic’. No one is afraid of transgender people, nor hating them.

??‍♂️That was dumb to say when it comes to “God’s wishes” he had Adam and Eve not only that he wished for FAIRNESS this MAN is bullying these real LADIES to a certain extent. CHAPPELLE….warned us so it’s easier to say until your daughter have to race against a MAN and brag about defeating a female… Man please

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Colleen is 100% correct you fool.

Ok, Nunya, no personal attacks, please. Attack the issues, not the person.

Men are now unfairly being allowed into women’s sports because everyone who speaks up is being bullied into silence by personal attacks (“bigot,” “transphobe,” “hater.”)

We need to all learn to demand that we all need to stick to the issues and leave out personal attacks. Especially when we’re tempted to go there.

Genetic outliers are not a factor in the fundamental categorization.

“Gender is just a stereotype.” Such a stupid comment. Smh.

Amen! Well said! BRAVO!!!

I have a question ? So if I’m born hermaphrodite, both sex male and female what I’m a mistake of our lord a man a woman an animal a car what I’m I ,we’re I go ,where do I belong or not belong I’m I a woman even do I have the choice to be a male who decides that what decides that maybe the fact that even do we are born with both sexes we feel like one I identify as one I look like one so I decide sex on birth certificate not decided we are real we are part of humanity we are born this way so now send me to hell for be born this way . But the woman I am is what a transgender feels and is .unfortunately not all could be explained or accepted.

Incredibly more complicated than that. But a simple intellect struggles to grasp more complicated issues, conditions, variances and nuances of biological systems. Another person sadly left behind.

Mary, you have an attitude problem. It seems you are not too fond of men. We all need to discover who we are meant to be, and part of that identity is defined by what sex we are born with. As women we have certain qualities such as being nurturing. We are attracted to babies and young children, even when we are older. There is nothing wrong or sextant….sexist about this. We were born this way. A He cannto. Cannot become nor will ever be a woman,, Bruce Jenner included.. He is not a She, simple as that. Its a fact of life. Jacque.trr

Not as far behind as your social skills.

It does get complicated when you consider that dome women do have genetic issues that nullify those things.

What is a Man without using the word Man in the Definition? When you are dug up in 100, 200 years your Bones, Your DNA will tell what you were XX or XY …even if you underwent a transition.

An adult biological female, which he is not.

A female if natural selection.
Every time mankind interferes with what is “NATURAL” enough to entirely change the status quo, From that time forward what has changed will be forever known as “UN-NATURAL…

A person without a Y.

Two x chromosomes.

Yes, and he has never claimed otherwise. He’s never claimed he has an intersex condition.

He knows he’s male, and the rest of us know it, too. And we know he knows it.

He is just enjoying helping his bros to colonize female-only sports and spaces.

These are the most woman-hating type of men, because they want to attack all the progress women have made toward legal, political, economic, and social equality.

2 X chromosomes

A FEMALE, Born with the possibility of carrying a child. Having ovaries a uterus and the acutriments necessary for procreation. How’s that?

he is not a woman. he is a man you vegetable

He is, in fact a MAN. the world is not required to enable someone’s delusions or mental illness.

One exception: a hermaphrodite.

In his mind he might be a woman but that’s it. End of discussion

Gender equals sex. It’s a distinction without a difference.

HE IS NOT A WOMAN, HE IS A MAN TRANS TO WOMAN.

No, he is not a woman. I love being in the water and sometimes feel I should have been born a dolphin, spending all my time in the beautiful ocean, but I was born a female human. Just because there are times I’ve felt I should have been born a dolphin doesn’t actually make me a dolphin, just as this man isn’t a woman just because he feels he should have been born one.

Nope, he is a man

Strip the skin away and you’re going to find a man, even with skin I see a man and that’s without knowing about this person’s chosen identity. Bone density, organ size, brain composition, even D.N.A tests will come back as male for this person. I’ll trust in science, not feelings.

Please allow me to clarify the differences and commonalities between sex and gender.

And please note I’m glad we agree “Lia” doesn’t belong in female sports.

William (“Lia”) is actually not a woman in any sense. That’s because woman is the word referring to those of us with female biology. How someone thinks or feels about their sex or gender is irrelevant. Its their biology and genetics that matter.

Sex refers to the biological differences between males and females.

Gender refers to the product(s) or effects of sex-role socialization on a person from birth, onward. Those effects are both social and physical (e.g. if a girl is socialized to be less physically active, the effects are social in origin, but physical in consequence. Or if she’s socialized to carry a purse, it affects her spinal muscles and alignment over time.)

We don’t socialize ourselves. We are socialized by other people. Most of that socialization occurs well before age 5. 80% of the neuropathways in our brains are laid down by age 5. We still have some neuroplasticity, but it is more challenging to change what’s already been laid down.

A person’s gender is always the same as her or his sex. Thats because sex-role socialization has been well documented to begin in the birthing room, even by adults who say they believe in treating girls and boys the same. That socialization by the adults is subconscious on their parts.

Unfortunately, it will probably take as many millenia for anyone, or society, to become aware of all of our sex-role socialization, and to end it, as the number of millenia it has taken so far to develop (mostly subconscious) sexist role beliefs and practices.

What is the difference between a woman and a female?

” You’re conflating gender and sex. She is a woman. She is not, however, a biological female, and should not be in female sports.”

Sorry ‘she’ is not a woman: an adult female human being. Just like a heifer is an adult female cow or a bi!ch is an adult female dog. All of these definitions have two words in common: adult /female. But why is the definition of a woman the only one expanded to include males ( trans women)? Therefore, Lia is NOT a woman.

Revolting.

Lia Thomas is an intact heterosexual male. As his female team-mates can attest.

With respect to all, I am a father of a Harvard past graduate competitive female swimmer. I am very proud of my daughter. I am a biologist, a biological determinist and socially super liberal. I would find an easy solution for Lia. I am not claiming these ideas my own, I am just summarizing what I am reading in this very elegant, intellectual and diverse discussion:
1) Lia is a woman, because she feels like a woman, I agree, let us respect her
2) I agree with John Lohn, let her swim, but count the results in a different category, 3rd gender or trans-gender
3) I agree with Billy, well, cutting the whole package off still would not make her a real/biological woman but at least she can prove that she is not a real man.

Exactly. If Lia woke up tomorrow and decided he was a dog, he’d be carted off to Bellevue.