Reporting based on best available translations of times.
RIZHAO, China, August 29. THE first night of finals at the Chinese Long Course Nationals in Rizhao got off to a lightning fast start with some blazing fast times.
Zhu Qianwei won the women's 200 free title in 1:56.95 to jump into fifth in the world. Only Federica Pellegrini (1:55.45), Allison Schmitt (1:56.10), Dana Vollmer (1:56.47) and Camille Muffat (1:56.92) have been faster this year. Zhu was a part of China's world record setting women's 800 free relay squad at the 2009 World Championships. Tang Yi just missed her 14th-ranked season best of 1:57.64 set at the Mare Nostrum Barcelona stop with a second-place 1:57.83, while Liu Jing took third overall in 1:57.95. Liu improved to 18th in the world with the time. Notably, Olympic bronze medalist Pang Jiaying missed making the finale.
With fifth-ranked Wu Peng not racing this meet after competing at the Pan Pacific Championships, Chen Yin topped the men's 200 fly in 1:55.44 to move just behind Wu into sixth in the world. Chen had been seventh overall with a season best of 1:55.67 from China's nationals held in April. Zuo Ziqiao placed second in 1:58.54, while Xu Hang took third in 1:59.33.
Women's 200 fly world record holder and 100 fly Asian record holder Liu Zige is sitting out this year, including this meet and the Asian Games in November. That left the door wide open for Jiao Liaoyang to claim the 100 fly title in 57.73. Jiao, who trained in the U.S. for two months, just missed her sixth-ranked season best of 57.67 set in April. Lu Ying took second in 58.98, while Ling Shuyuan placed third in 59.16.
Wang Chengxiang dropped more than five seconds from his previous season best of 4:18.48 earlier this year to win the men's 400 IM with a stunning 4:13.09. That swim vaulted Wang up to seventh in the world rankings. The swim might have been even faster as some Chinese sources are posting Wang's time as a 4:07.21, which would be the top-ranked performance in the world ahead of Ryan Lochte's 4:07.59. Swimming World Chinese correspondent Christopher Chow doubts the credibility of those sources at this time, and Swimming World has since confirmed that the 4:07.21 is a misreported time. Huang Chaosheng finished second in 4:14.75, matching his 10th-ranked time from April, while Li Xiang took third in 4:17.27 to move into the top 25.
Randi Wang touched out Ji Liping, 31.30 to 31.31, in the women's 50 breast. Wang moved to 14th in the world, while Ji took 15th. Zhao Jin posted a 31.34 for third to move up to 16th in the world rankings.
While not all relay splits and members have been reported, a team from Shanghai (Zhou Yanxin, Sun Ye, Lu Ying, Tang Yi) won the women's 400 medley relay with a 4:05.31, while Jiangsu took second in 4:06.99. The Liberation Army foursome placed third in 4:07.58.
Special thanks to Christopher Chow for providing results.
Results: Chinese Long Course Nationals
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August 30, 2010 I think China sent 2 swimmers to Pan Pacs, very scary indeed. The peoples Republic of China, what are we in for next? If they are puting out that 4:07, there is more of that to come. Why was the team not at Pan Pacs? Submitted by: swimfan3
August 30, 2010 The explanation I heard about why they weren't at Pan Pacs is because the Asian Games are WAY more important to China. I've even heard that the Asian Games are almost more important to China than the Olympics, or at least are on the same level. Submitted by: Jason Marsteller
August 30, 2010 Because the Asia games is held in Guangzhou of China this time.So they want to beat Japan and South Korea in swimming. Submitted by: Lostriver
August 30, 2010 Really, 5 seconds in one swim. It's like Lacourt 2 1/2 seconds in one year? I hope they are checking everything and keeping it all. I had no idea until I read the Eddie Reese article this week, that it was the coachs prompting that outed the "druged soaked" Chinese. I thought fina had done it. It will be interesting to see some world records go down this week, there is somethig out there as we speak that they are not testing for. I hear they are really close though, from a very good source. Submitted by: swimfan3
August 30, 2010 I'm sorry but I still refuse to acknowledge credit to anything the Chinese put forth, especially at Chinese LC Nats. It's incomprehensible that the country cannot perform on the international stage, yet they can produce out of this world swims at their own National meet. Something stinks to high heavens.
I implore Swimming World to treat the swims as suspect. An American swimming publication should not be glorifiying the reported performances of a swim team that has been proven a fraud, and continues to operate behind a shroud of secrecy. I just don't understand use of terms like "blister pool" and "lightning fast". Methinks we should see phrases like "the results show that that..." or "Chinese press have reported that..." etc. Let's not diminish the results shown by the countries that do it right by exclaiming amazement at Chinese performances. Submitted by: fl_coach
August 30, 2010 Florida coach, I didn't here you yelling this loud for Peirsol. Yet now, you think only the Chinese are doing this. Wake up! Submitted by: swimfan3
August 30, 2010 If you have an accusation to levy against Piersol, let's hear it. I think he's proven he shows up both nationally and internationally. I'm not sure what you're getting at, so leave the baseless slander for another day. Submitted by: fl_coach
August 30, 2010 Your accusing only the Chinese of using something. Where have you been, not Peirsol himself. There are alot of people making major drops in other countries. Have you not been paying attention? Does this make sense now, read above and do not acuse me of slander!!!!! Submitted by: swimfan3
August 30, 2010 What?!? Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but it certainly doesn't read well to me, being a big Piersol fan it sounded like you were accusing him of something.
I don't think ONLY the Chinese are doping, but they have a proven past of systematical, state-approved doping, and should be treated with suspicion. That's all I'm getting at. Submitted by: fl_coach
August 30, 2010 Florida guy, there was a guy that did a 52:11 in the backstroke about a month ago. He was not even in Rome last year in this event. Now tell me does that look suspect to you. This kind of thing is all over the world. Yes, and they are trying to crack down on it! One thing I agree with you on they should not glorify something so bizarre! When there is a 5 second drop in there own Nationals that's suspect. When someone drops almost 3 seconds in the 100 back in one year that wasn't even in that event last year! Come on, there is alot of countries to look at. Especially in there own countries, at there own nationals! Submitted by: swimfan3
August 30, 2010 This got a little out of control. While I'm not a believer in shouting "drugs" whenever a swimmer drops material time, be they French or whatever, but the Chinese are in an exclusive club of one in terms of being serial cheats.
For those of you with longer memories, the Chinese women in 1992 were the equal disgrace to sporting as were the East German women in 1976. It was plainly obvious they were cheating but just had not been caught yet. They would fade away in non-Olympic years, skip over major in season meets on the FINA circuit and noone could do anything about it for a while. Does anyone remember in the early 1990s the notorious instance where the Chinese team showed up for a meet only to learn at the airport there would be drug testing at that meet? I do because I was still competing and saw it myself. They turned around and hopped the next flight home. Sorry, no swimming for us this week, see ya, no further questions. Now that is not an outright admission of guilt, but what could be? Eventually they were tested and outed. And they never sounded contrite or remorseful about it as a swimming nation. They deserve our suspicion. Submitted by: outside smoke
August 30, 2010 I am looking at the Chinese times and am surprised. Actually, I was expecting to see outrageous times, but these aren't anything out of the ordinary. At least nothing like in the 1990s. Submitted by: paddles
August 30, 2010 Jason - writing from Asia, I can confirm China is not the only Asian nation that rates the Asian Games as perhaps their top priority. I suspect you might find that feeling is common in many (most?) Asian nations. The reality is, outside of the elite swimming community, most people in Asia would not have even heard of the Pan Pacs - and in Singapore, for example, I think you will see the Asian Games also trumps the Commonwealth Games later this year. Getting back to China - they did send quite a strong youth team to the YOG in Singapore, and left many of the other countries, including the USA, in their wake. Notwithstanding their tainted history, with a quarter of the world's population, an economy that has been booming now for decades bringing a huge increase in national wealth, coupled with focus and assistance from many top international coaches, at some point it's inevitable China will legitimately account for a significant share of world best times and medals. Submitted by: hsnamf
August 30, 2010 Outside Smoke, I would love to know about what you saw.... You saw it happening! Submitted by: paddles
August 30, 2010 Not to sound trite to "hsnmaf", but I'll believe China will legitimately account for their share of world records when they stop churning out 6'-0" 185 lb women who look like they'd win a football game against their male counterparts. I hate to sound so cynical, but the Chinese have proven that often times perception is reality. Submitted by: fl_coach
August 30, 2010 how could you confuse a 4:13.09 with a 4:07.21? Submitted by: philipmj24
August 30, 2010 -philipmj24. you just said the exact thing that i've been wondering after reading all those comments. granted, a five second drop is still enough to raise eyebrows. the difference between a 4:13 and a 4:07 in the 400 i.m. is ridiculous. off the top of my head i think there have only been about eight-ten men under 4:10 even if you count the tech-suit era. so given that i don't know how anyone would report it as a 4:07, possibly to try and show their 'superiority'...who knows. Submitted by: whtbillcosby
August 30, 2010 Fl_coach- Most of the women now swimming in China are not over 6' tall (unlike the 90's). And some of the men are HUGE now! I agree that the way that China does things def opens up a lot of questions and allegations (especially with the history), but hard to point fingers as much anymore when we have Torres, Weir, and Joyce around (all fitting the stats that you mentioned)! Submitted by: Globalswim
August 30, 2010 Wang did 4:13.09, not 4:07. Only one source reported 4:07.21 but the majority is 4:13.09. Submitted by: will
August 30, 2010 Those times looked quite normal to me and there is no surprise at all. Zhu Qianwei's 1:56.9 in 200m free is expected and she could have done that last year if she didn't come down to low fever. Wang Chengxian was at 4:16 last year and 4:13 now, which is a big leap for him. Not sure if it is drug related. Huang Chaosheng, the runner-up and the NR holder (4:12.53), trains under the same coach as Li Xuanxu (AR holder in women 400m IM at 4:30.43) and they have been performing consistently although they do not race much internationally. Chen Yin is the men's 200m fly finalist in 2007 WC and has been 1:54-1:57 since 2005 but have not got any breakthrough yet. Jiao Liuyang is the world bronze medalist in 100m fly last year and has been training in US for 2 months but it seems there is no much difference. Wang Randi, Ji Liping and Zhao Jin, the top 3 finishers in women's 50m breaststroke, together with Sun Ye, Liu Xiaoyu, Fang Rong and Chen Huijia are currently competing fierecely in domestic scene to be the top women breaststroke swimmer after Luo Xuejuan. Among all the top 3 finishers, Zuo Ziqiao from Anhui Province, runner-up in men's 200m fly was back from the drug ban. Submitted by: will
August 31, 2010 Globalswim - good point on the sizes. I have noticed that the sheer number of overpowering Chinese women does seem to be decreasing. One difference between China having a women's team of 6-foot athlets vs. USA is the difference in size from the country's average heights. The Asian populace is generally smaller framed and shorter than the Euro-descendant populace. It stands to reason that when your average females are 5-5/5-6, you *should* have more 6-0 women than a country who's average height is 5-2/5-3.
But don't get me started on Torres. Gosh, that'd derail the thread and raise my blood pressure to an unhealthy level. So I'll follow an old adage and keep my mouth shut. Submitted by: fl_coach
August 31, 2010 fl_coach, what do you know about Dara Torres? Don't worry, not trying to kill you....but I'd like to know. Submitted by: paddles
August 31, 2010 I was still swimming back when the chinese girls were humoungous..
That was a disgrace..to see them swim: pure sheer brute force - no technique, no nothing...drugs screamming at you!!
Again, size is nothing..Take Evans, for example: tiny little bird, and a heck of a swimmer..
Some were just naturally big, like Claudia Poll.
In my opinion, for example, I think Biedermann is one example of a swimmer who was greatly helped by the suits.
BUT, fl_coach, I am sorry, you canīt just say something like what you said about Torres and shut up about it.
If you donīt know anything, donīt make false/vain accusations. If you say something, you must be held accountable. She may even press charges against you (which I hope she does)!!
If you call fall play, you have moral and legal obligations to stand by it!!
To go: "oh...I might know something about so and so...but I will not say anything" is not acceptable. YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT YOUR MOUTH SHUT PRIOR......
Go ahead, be a man, take responsibility for your words!! Too late to shut up now!!! Submitted by: nadador
August 31, 2010 @nadador:
Claudia Poll has been tested positive and banned for some years.
@fl_coach:
Honestly speaking, your perception is based on you ignorance, bias and discrimination. You don't have to like what you don't like, and you can still live in 1990's if you like.
@outside smoke:
the Chinese women in 1992 Olympics games were not tested positive. Even those who won gold medals in 1992 Olympic have never been tested positive.
@outside smoke, fl_coach and nadador:
what nadador said is exactly suitable to you guys for your attitude towards other countries' swimmers today:
"If you donīt know anything, donīt make false/vain accusations. If you say something, you must be held accountable. She may even press charges against you (which I hope she does)!!
If you call fall play, you have moral and legal obligations to stand by it!!"
"YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT YOUR MOUTH SHUT"!!! Submitted by: tim
September 1, 2010 Saying someone is "Suspect" because they are tall is stupid, Fair enough China have brought constant speculation on themselves, With that stereotype you could say many of the british girls, Adlington,Jackson, and spofforth are all huge, Although a majority of our swimmers are some of the smallest in their events, Halsall,Miley Gandy etc, Does that mean becky & Jo are Suspects. Submitted by: Doodledo
September 1, 2010 @nadador - In an open forum, you can wonder aloud whatever you want. Read from the other posters, Claudia Poll was proven a drug cheat. And I didn't say anything "about" anybody, or do you always read more into people's posts than is there?
@paddles - I don't recall saying I "knew" anything, are you suffering from "nadador" delusion?
@tim, I don't think suspecting a country that has been busted for a state-wide doping scheme, that operates behind a shroud of secrecy, is ignorant. It's responsible. Yes it is biased, and I'm OK with that (see my point). It is NOT discrimination, sing that tune somewhere else.
Regarding Torres, I rooted for the woman to win the 50m. But after seeing her book, reading the interviews, I don't think she's being completely honest with her readers, let me stress "in my opinion". No, age is not just a number. She had financial and medical resources available to her that are beyond the reach of most people, including athletes. I was keeping my "mouth shut" about my distaste for what seemed like a "made for me" comeback, and a pervasive arrogance that left out the details of how she was scientifically "built" over the previous few years to swim that race. All to sell a book and get on the speaking circuit I presume. And that paragraph summarizes my feelings. Submitted by: fl_coach
September 1, 2010 Perhaps I can change the topic to report some good news (particularly if you're an Aussie) - Libby Trickett has today announced that she is coming out of her short retirement and wants to swim at the 2012 Olympics. Submitted by: hsnamf
September 1, 2010 I donīt think Claudia Poll was actually tested positive. What happened is, they went to test her in a different location from where she said she would be. She said she would be trainning at facility A, and they went to facility B. Still, they made it count as if she failed to comply. But that is besides the point.
fl_coach: "But don't get me started on Torres. Gosh, that'd derail the thread and raise my blood pressure to an unhealthy level. So I'll follow an old adage and keep my mouth shut."
Those were your exact words, when speaking about drug suspicion. Pardon my French if I misread you.. Submitted by: nadador
September 1, 2010 Thanks nadador....you said exactly what I wanted and beat me to the punch. By the way, what is "nadador" delusion? ;o) Submitted by: paddles
September 1, 2010 @paddles - "nadador" delusion is the act of reading your own thoughts into someone else's words, then accusing said person of saying what you think they said, which is not at all what they said.
@nadador - go read some artciles that reference studies about physiological capability of the human body, especially as it relates to age and athletic performance. You can partake in performance-enhancing activity without being "doped" under the FINA rulebook.
That's my last comment on this topic. I'll leave with one parting shot - Take sport culture today, and take what we know has happened in sports that reward performance with paychecks - from major sports like football and baseball, to fringe sports like cycling and track. Add in the fact that swimmers are now being handsomely rewarded for their performance. One would have to be completely naive to believe that there isn't a possibility of widespread activity in our sport. And the people that are willing to take that unpopular stance are the ones being responsible. Those who question outrageous time drops and inconsistent performance or participation are the ones that most sincerely want to ensure the health and cleanliness of our sport. Submitted by: fl_coach
September 1, 2010 From what I remember of Poll, there was a positive drug test, but the chain of custody on the sample was screwed up horribly enough that any American court of law would have ruled that there was no proof it was Poll's own urine that was in the sample.
And then CAS pretty much 'tough luck' when Poll appealed about anti-doping failing to follow their own protocols in multiple ways. Submitted by: selkie
September 1, 2010 Thank you, fl_coach, for defining "nadador" delusion.
LOL
I was under the impression that it applied to me in some way. Now I am sure it is someone elseīs dellusion.
LOL
About your other comments....
well, I guess I just had a burst of "nadador"-dellusion-writerīs block....
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