{"id":494908,"date":"2022-01-04T14:22:19","date_gmt":"2022-01-04T21:22:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.swimmingworldmagazine.com\/news\/?p=494908"},"modified":"2022-01-04T14:22:19","modified_gmt":"2022-01-04T21:22:19","slug":"donna-de-varona-transgender-swimming-dialogue-must-continue-its-complicated-and-people-dont-like-complicated","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.swimmingworldmagazine.com\/news\/donna-de-varona-transgender-swimming-dialogue-must-continue-its-complicated-and-people-dont-like-complicated\/","title":{"rendered":"Donna de Varona: Transgender Swimming Dialogue Must Continue &#8211; &#8216;It&#8217;s Complicated and People Don&#8217;t Like Complicated&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Donna de Varona: Transgender Swimming Dialogue Must Continue &#8211; &#8216;It&#8217;s Complicated and People Don&#8217;t Like Complicated&#8217;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Donna de Varona<\/strong> competed in the pool when gender equality was far from becoming a reality.<\/p>\n<p>After years of advocating for women in sports and backing the landmark Title IX policy, the Olympic gold medalist continues her fight for women\u2019s equality today.<\/p>\n<p>The fight looks a little different this year and it involves transgender swimmer Lia Thomas at Penn. Thomas is a woman who has followed all of the NCAA rules and protocols with her transition, but it has left many wondering whether her competing with women a little more than a year after being part of the men\u2019s team is fair to women\u2019s sports.<\/p>\n<p>That is especially true of the generations of swimmers who grew up fighting \u2014 and continue to fight \u2014 for gender equality within the sport and society, like de Varona.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy personal feeling is that this isn\u2019t about Lia as it is about not doing due diligence as to the impact any policy would have on this situation where biological males mitigate and want to enter the women\u2019s sports category,\u201d de Varona told <em>Swimming<\/em> <em>World<\/em>. \u201cThose of us who fought for Title IX, it has been a war for a long time. We had to research and prove our point that we deserved to have an equal opportunity, not just to compete but to learn so many valuable tools from the foundation sports provides us. All of those role models have happened because of this law.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That research and dialogue is what is needed to come up with solutions to this situation, de Varona said. The dialogues need to be led by groups like the <a href=\"http:\/\/ncaa.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">NCAA<\/a>, USA Swimming, the IOC and FINA.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFINA has to look at this and deal with it now. We should all be working together. We are the pioneers of the sport and we have worked on Title IX, SafeSport, Civil Rights. We have been very protective of young athletes because it is the adults in the room who have to make these decisions. You have to see how this will impact the sport from the grassroots to the Olympics. Our motivation as pioneering athletes who fought through Title IX and lived through drug-fused dominance, needed to step in and open up the dialogue. There wasn\u2019t a dialogue. It has begun and that is the most important thing,\u201d she said. \u201cThat is why it is unfortunate that those who push for the NCAA policy did not do their due diligence to protect Lia, who has followed the guidelines that the NCAA has provided and is now part of a controversy. The adults in the room making decisions had to do more.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo what is the answer? It is complicated and people don\u2019t want complicated.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Complicated because the issue affects different sports in different ways. Complicated because every individual is different. Complicated because organizations want to be fair to all athletes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOne rule doesn\u2019t accommodate everybody. That is why the IOC punted on their ruling. The IOC realized one size doesn\u2019t fit all,\u201d de Varona said. &#8220;Testosterone can\u2019t be the only measure. There are so many other things to consider.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Donna de Varona joined the Women&#8217;s Sports Policy Working Group, along with former swimmer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.swimmingworldmagazine.com\/news\/olympic-champion-womens-sports-advocate-nancy-hogshead-makar-explains-problems-with-lia-thomas-situation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Nancy Hogshead Makar<\/strong> <\/a>\u00a0and athletes like tennis legend <strong>Martina Navratilova<\/strong>. The group was opposed to President Joe Biden\u2019s executive order giving blanket inclusion for all transgender female athletes.<\/p>\n<p>One thing de Varona wanted to make perfectly clear was that she and the group were not opposed to inclusion, just that any blanket policy would not end up being fair and inclusive to all parties.\u00a0Just like she is not opposed to Thomas being transgender or even being a swimmer, especially since she has followed all of the rules. It is about working to find the correct rules, she said, which takes time.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt depends on the sport,&#8221; de Varona said. &#8220;A sport like equestrian, it doesn\u2019t matter the same way. Head to head competition (in swimming) with two years&#8217; mitigation is not enough. It depends on when you started. If you competed as a male into your 20s, can you ever really mitigate your body? Two years is not enough. Has anyone asked those questions? Did anyone prepare (Thomas) for what was going to happen? What are the values you learn from sport? Fairness. Team play. Opportunity. I don\u2019t think Lia has had a good experience. I think it has been a very difficult road. Have we been fair to her?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Part of that was the quick reaction of people across social media.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt became so politicized. What you saw was anti-transgender (accusations), which is not what we are saying \u2026 our group has been supported by transgender athletes <strong>Renee Richards<\/strong> and <strong>Caitlyn Jenner<\/strong>) \u2026 Lia happened to be the lighting rod for the issue (in swimming),\u201d de Varona said. \u201cWe have to protect people like Lia. I am not for demonizing Lia or her coach. They abided by the rules. NCAA has to speak up. USA Swimming has to speak up. FINA has to speak up. We have seen track and field try to find a solution. The voices are going to get louder and we have to find solutions.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTitle IX says you can\u2019t discriminate because of sex but it doesn\u2019t say anything about gender identification. That doesn\u2019t mean we can\u2019t find ways to accommodate transgender student athletes. To see a swimming official resign after all of her hard work because she didn\u2019t want to have the dialogue is sad. We need to wake up. It would be nice to see swimming as a leader in this issue. Some people want all or nothing and that is unfortunate for people looking for the middle way.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Donna de Varona: Transgender Swimming Dialogue Must Continue &#8211; &#8216;It&#8217;s Complicated and People Don&#8217;t Like Complicated&#8217; Donna de Varona competed in the pool when gender equality was far from becoming<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3915,"featured_media":112326,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"dois","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3,122077,6,7],"tags":[4670,129951,51820],"class_list":["post-494908","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-featured","category-americas","category-college","category-usa","tag-donna-de-varona","tag-lia-thomas","tag-transgender"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v24.3 (Yoast SEO v24.3) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\r\n<title>Donna de Varona: Transgender Swimming Dialogue Must Continue<\/title>\r\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Donna de Varona: Transgender Swimming Dialogue Must Continue - &#039;It&#039;s Complicated and People don&#039;t like complicated&#039; 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